How Bill C-21 turned from banning handguns to hunting guns

Confusion was on the agenda at a parliamentary committee last week after the Liberal government brought in last-minute amendments to its contentious gun control legislation.

The proposed changes to Bill C-21 were tacked on by Liberal MP Paul Chiang after it had passed second reading — drawing complaints from opposition MPs who accused the government of sneaking in changes that would expand the scope of prohibited weapons to include hunting rifles.

The amendment adds long guns to the banned list in four different ways. First, it has a clause that would effectively ban any rifle or shotgun that could potentially accept a magazine with more than five rounds, whether or not it actually has such a magazine. Critics say that includes many rifles designed for hunters, not soldiers.

The list also names guns that fall afoul of two rules nominally intended to ban powerful military weapons such as .50-calibre sniper rifles and mortars. One rule bans long guns that can generate more than 10,000 joules of energy, and the other bans guns with a muzzle wider than 20 millimetres. Critics say those rules would ban everything from antique blunderbusses to the Nine O'clock Gun in Vancouver's Stanley Park.

Lastly, the amendment prohibits, by name, a large number of semi-automatic firearms that do not have detachable magazines and don't meet the definition of an "assault-style firearm," or infringe the other two rules, but which the government wants to ban anyway. They include a number of long guns in wide use by Canadian hunters.

CBC News asked to speak with Paul Chiang about the amendments but was told he was travelling and unavailable. 

Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino insisted that hunters are not being targeted.

"We have a plan to eradicate gun violence once and for all," Mendicino told the House of Commons on Friday. "We are not going to target those guns which are used conventionally for hunting."

Here's what we know and don't know about the changes.

Will the 'Plinkster' be banned?

That's not entirely clear.

"The Mossberg 702 .22 Plinkster long rifle. Will that hunting and target-shooting rifle be prohibited as a result of C-21 legislation?" Conservative MP Bob Zimmer asked at the parliamentary committee.

"No," replied Murray Smith, technical specialist with the government's Canadian Firearms Program. 

But in fact, the Plinkster ("plinking" refers to shooting tin cans) is one of hundreds of common hunting rifles and shotguns individually listed for prohibition in the amendments. 

The exchange captured some of the confusion caused by the amendment. But the amendment itself is clear: if adopted and passed into law, the .22 Plinkster would become a prohibited firearm.

What do the opposition parties have to say?

Conservative MP Rachel Dancho called it "an attack on hunters."

"The arbitrary criteria that the Liberal government has snuck into their legislation at the eleventh hour without democratic debate does not make these firearms any less of a hunting tool," she said.

While Conservatives have long opposed some Liberal gun control measures, this time the NDP also balked.

"The amendment came out of nowhere," said NDP MP Charlie Angus, whose riding covers a vast swath of northern Ontario that includes many remote First Nations. "This was a handgun bill. We suddenly saw this other legislation that has a lot of people who are legitimate gun owners worried. I think they overreached."

Montreal Canadiens goalie Carey Price posted a picture of himself on Instagram with a semi-automatic hunting shotgun and a message that said, in part, 'I am not a criminal or a threat to society.' (Carey Price/Instagram)

And after Montreal Canadiens goalie Carey Price weighed in on the matter, Bloc Québécois Leader Yves-François Blanchet lamented on Twitter that the bill had convinced Price "and so many others that gun control's goal or effect is to hurt hunting."

The National Police Federation (NPF) described Bill C-21 overall as a missed opportunity to reduce gun crime.

"Bill C-21 does not address criminal activity, illegal firearms proliferation, gang crime, illegal guns crossing the border or criminal use of firearms," it said in its written submission to Parliament.

And on the prohibition of legally-held firearms, "the NPF would caution that it diverts extremely important personnel, resources, and funding away from addressing the more immediate and growing threat of criminal use of illegal firearms."

What do advocacy groups think?

Heidi Rathjen of pro-gun control group PolySeSouvient told CBC Radio's The House she agrees with the bill and amendments, but said they are "very complicated technically" and "difficult to explain."

"But in terms of communications, I think the Liberals could have done a much better job."

LISTEN | Gun control advocate discusses proposed changes to firearms law:The House speaks to gun control advocate Heidi Rathjen, co-founder of the gun control group PolySeSouvient, about whether controversy over a proposed amendment to the government’s firearms legislation might put in jeopardy her thirty-year-long quest to have assault rifles banned.

Rathjen defended the rule that bans rifles that generate over 10,000 joules. "We're talking about .50-calibre military weapons that can pierce military equipment and structures," she said. 

But the rule would also ban some very expensive elephant and buffalo rifles that would more likely grace collectors' display cabinets than be used for hunting.

"Many of these old firearms date back to before the 1900s," says Tony Bernardo of the Canadian Shooting Sports Association. "Some of these guns are worth a half-million dollars or more. Many of them are single shots or they're double-barrelled, and the finest examples of the engraver's art."

WATCH | Hunters association head on new firearms bill changes:

Gun control laws trending towards 'flashy' bans, hunters association director says

Matt DeMille, the director of policies and programs for the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters said new federal measures go beyond their "stated intent" of reducing gun violence.

Bernardo says crime will not be reduced by using taxpayers' money to buy and destroy those expensive relics, though he's quick to add that there is no mention of compensation in Bill C-21.

The bill has also been challenged by historical and reenactment groups, who say their antique cannons and artillery pieces pose no threat to public safety.

"Many of our veterans actively participate in period outfits as re-enactors to demonstrate the workings of the ordnance at formal salutes, displays, reenactments and the like," the Royal Canadian Artillery Association wrote to the committee studying C-21, saying the bill will make their activities a crime.

WATCH | Government looks to broaden list of restricted firearms:A new government proposal will make more firearms illegal in Canada, adding many shotguns and semi-automatic rifles to the banned list.

A list of extra guns to ban

Perhaps the most controversial part of the amendment is that it proposes banning hundreds of guns that don't fit the government's new "assault-style firearm" definition. 

One such is the Benelli auto-loading shotgun, which doesn't have a detachable magazine, and has never been used by any military. Auto-loading shotguns are heavily used in such traditional hunts as the Cree goose hunt in James Bay, and the Newfoundland turr hunt. They are sometimes preferred by female hunters and those with smaller frames because they have softer recoil than other shotguns, Mendicino said.

Another is the SKS semi-automatic rifle, which Rathjen says was not in the original "assault rifle ban" in 2020 because "if a weapon was not a modern design, it was exempt." The SKS, designed in 1945, lacks features common to modern military rifles such as the AR-15. But the government has now decided it wants it banned.

WATCH | Calls to ban SKS rifle:

Calls to add Soviet-era rifle used in Canadian shootings to federal weapons ban

Advocates are calling for the SKS — a Soviet-era, semi-automatic rifle that was used in the 2022 Innisfil, Ont., shooting, the 2019 northern B.C. murders, and the 2018 mass shooting in Frederiction — to be added to Ottawa's military-style assault weapons ban.

There is a long tradition of Canadian hunters using what were once military rifles to hunt. The .303 Lee-Enfield, used in both the First and Second World Wars, was once the standard Canadian hunting rifle, and remains common, particularly in the North.

And today, says Bernardo, the SKS is "ubiquitous." 

"There are, by our best estimates, somewhat over a half a million SKS rifles in circulation in Canada," he told CBC News.

Because the SKS is currently in the non-restricted (and therefore unregistered) class of firearms, the government does not know who owns them. Consequently, it has no way of informing them individually that they will be in violation of a law that carries penalties of up to 10 years in prison.

Bernardo says the SKS is particularly common among Indigenous and sustenance hunters in remote areas who may only realize they have fallen afoul of new laws when they are arrested.

"The consequences of this are absolutely huge and, quite frankly, totally uncalled for."


Football news:

<!DOCTYPE html>
Kane on Tuchel: A wonderful man, full of ideas. Thomas in person says what he thinks
Zarema about Kuziaev's 350,000 euros a year in Le Havre: Translate it into rubles - it's not that little. It is commendable that he left
Aleksandr Mostovoy on Wendel: Two months of walking around in the middle of nowhere and then coming back and dragging the team - that's top level
Sheffield United have bought Euro U21 champion Archer from Aston Villa for £18.5million
Alexander Medvedev on SKA: Without Gazprom, there would be no Zenit titles. There is a winning wave in the city. The next victory in the Gagarin Cup will be in the spring
Smolnikov ended his career at the age of 35. He became the Russian champion three times with Zenit

3:12 Hamilton to seek veto over landfill applications amid odour issue in Stoney Creek
3:09 WRHA palliative home care on good path after failures, review recommendations: advocate
3:07 Averted disaster on Horizon flight renews scrutiny on mental health of those in cockpit
2:57 Averted disaster on Horizon Air flight renews scrutiny on mental health of those in the cockpit
2:56 Vancouver Island jewelry dealer targeted by thieves for 22nd time
2:54 French-language universities back English counterparts in criticizing tuition hike for non-Quebec students
2:51 Maggie Mac Neil makes Pan Am Games history with fifth gold medal
2:51 Georgia restaurant’s ‘bad parenting fee’ eats away at some customers
2:17 Raptors tip off Rajakovic era by spreading out offence to top T-Wolves
2:16 Schroder leads new-look Raptors to win
2:15 Dennis Schroder leads new-look Raptors to season-opening 97-94 win over Timberwolves
2:08 Arnold Schwarzenegger says he’d make ‘great president,’ but calls for ‘young blood’ in 2024
1:53 Some charges stayed against Vancouver escort
1:48 Vancouver man accused in Chinatown graffiti spree heads to court
1:43 At least 16 dead in Maine shooting, law enforcement sources say
1:43 At least 16 dead after shootings at bar, bowling alley in Lewiston, Maine
1:38 ‘LOCK DOWN’: Active shooter in Lewiston, Maine; cops investigating multiple scenes
1:38 ‘LOCK DOWN’: At least 10 dead in Maine shooting, number expected to rise
1:38 At least 16 dead in Maine shooting and dozens injured, cops say
1:30 Bank of Canada holds interest rate: What this means for British Columbians
1:30 At least 10 dead in Maine shooting and number expected to rise, law enforcement officials tell AP
1:30 At least 16 dead in Maine shooting and dozens injured, law enforcement officials tell AP
1:29 No, 1 pick Victor Wembanyama is set to debut with the San Antonio Spurs and the world is watching
1:29 No, 1 pick Victor Wembanyama debuts with the Spurs and the world is watching
1:27 Mom who killed kids in Idaho will be sent to Arizona to face murder charges
1:25 Active shooter reported in Maine, police investigating multiple scenes
1:19 King Township man charged after 3-D printed handgun, other weapons seized
1:17 Would-be hit men sentenced to 10 years for 2020 Vancouver shooting
1:16 Thousands of Las Vegas hotel workers fighting for new union contracts rally, block Strip traffic
1:16 Union workers arrested on Las Vegas Strip for blocking traffic as thousands rally
1:15 Calgary’s housing crisis: Those left behind share their stories
1:11 Imprisoned ‘apostle’ of Mexican megachurch La Luz del Mundo charged with federal child pornography
1:10 Police to detonate suspicious package ‘shortly’ in city’s north end
1:07 FIQ healthcare union votes to strike Nov. 8-9
1:07 St. Lawrence Seaway strike concerns politicians, stakeholders in Hamilton and Niagara
1:04 U.S. autoworkers reach deal with Ford, breakthrough toward ending strikes
1:02 Calgary police chief unaware honour guard attended controversial prayer breakfast, but ‘not surprised’
1:00 Laura Jones: Regulation should be about improving our quality of life while minimizing red tape
0:58 Montreal hosting government, community groups, law enforcement in gun violence forum
0:50 Two arrested in Kelowna homicide investigation: RCMP
0:49 Mom convicted of killing kids in Idaho will be sent to Arizona to face murder conspiracy charges
0:47 B.C. residents split on future of provincial carbon tax: poll
0:34 Do you know Slim? B.C. RCMP seek person of interest in fatal Sparwood shooting
0:32 B.C. mother-daughter jewelry designing team featured in Rolls-Royce book
0:30 The U.S. House has a speaker. What does that mean for Israel, Ukraine aid?
0:22 Héma-Québec adding new virtual experience to boost number of blood donors
0:22 Letters to the Editor, Oct. 26, 2023
0:19 What’s trending this Halloween in the Okanagan
0:16 Teens charged with retired cop’s murder accused of flipping off his kin in court
0:13 Dusty Baker tells newspaper he is retiring as manager of Houston Astros
0:09 UAW, Ford reach tentative deal to end weeks-long strike: sources
0:09 Volunteers harvest thousands of eggs as salmon return to South Surrey river
0:03 LILLEY: Canada’s Jewish community feels like it is under assault
0:02 Ex-NFL player Sergio Brown, charged with killing mother, denied release
23:56 $15 million class-action lawsuit brought against York University and student union
23:55 Ex-NBA star Dwight Howard denies sexual assault suit filed by Georgia man
23:54 Quebec taxpayers shouldn't completely bail out Montreal-area transit companies: Guilbault
23:54 Lethbridge training exercise sees emergency responders practice responding to large crowds
23:51 Driver in Malibu crash that killed 4 college students charged with murder
23:47 Canada to send additional humanitarian aid to Nagorno-Karabakh, Gaza, West Bank and Israel
23:45 Hurricane Otis unleashes massive flooding in Acapulco, triggers landslides
23:44 MANDEL: Nygard tells court no one could be locked inside his bedroom suite
23:41 North Vancouver architecture team designs Indigenous-inspired buildings that blend with nature
23:41 Airports see surge in asylum claims after border, visa requirement changes
23:37 Vaughn Palmer: David Eby makes no apologies for calling for halt to interest rate hikes
23:35 Housing crisis bears down on some of Calgary’s most vulnerable
23:35 'I will never look at myself as a murderer,' says man convicted of St-Laurent murder
23:34 Mac Neil leads another big day in the pool for Canada at Pan Am Games
23:27 Hydro-Quebec rates ‘never’ to increase above 3 per cent, premier promises
23:27 Pro-Palestinian protesters call for immediate ceasefire in Gaza at rally in Ottawa
23:26 TransLink faces $4.7 billion financial void by 2033 without funding change
23:21 Guy Favreau shelter could be granted winter reprieve, says city
23:15 Deer scatters diners after charging into crowded Wisconsin restaurant
23:09 Emergency homeless shelter at The Gathering Place: New Beginnings continues operations
23:02 Alberta premier promises firm exit number before referendum on CPP
23:01 Professor who called Hamas slaughter ‘exhilarating’ on leave
23:01 B.C. and Washington State agree to address Nooksack River flooding, set no timeline or obligations
22:59 Gregoire Trudeau ‘re-partnered’ months before separation announced: Report
22:58 Maple Leaf notes: Ontario Sports Hall of an honour for Shanahan and more video victories
22:57 Canadian connection: Timberwolves’ Miller learning NBA ropes from Alexander-Walker
22:57 Okanagan MLA Ben Stewart not seeking re-election in 2024
22:56 Mac Neil becomes Canada’s most decorated Pan Am Games athlete with fifth gold medal
22:55 Saskatoon green cart material to be processed in-house, temporarily lowering costs
22:51 A Montrealer by choice, Restaurant Gus chef shows what out-of-province students can contribute
22:50 Hate crimes against Jews and Muslims on the rise since Hamas attack
22:47 Federal officials say plan for water cuts from 3 Western states is enough to protect Colorado River
22:47 Ex-NFL player Sergio Brown, charged with killing mother, has been denied release
22:44 Seaway strike puts Saskatchewan’s international reputation at risk, producers say
22:36 Behind the concerns and complex feelings some Indigenous audiences have about Killers of the Flower Moon
22:34 Michigan State hearing officer rules Mel Tucker sexually harassed Brenda Tracy, AP source says
22:32 CPKC lowers earnings expectations due to ‘economic headwinds,’ port workers strike
22:31 ‘Fantastic’ pet food drive helps struggling military veterans in Calgary
22:24 Auto theft probe, Project Stallion, trots 228 accused before courts
22:19 Sault Ste. Marie, Ont., killer had a history of intimate partner violence, police say
22:09 Record number of visitors to food banks in Canada renews calls for greater support in Manitoba
22:08 $4.7 billion funding gap could result in major TransLink service cuts: Report
22:02 Rising cost of living putting unprecedented pressure on Canadian food banks
21:58 Turbocharged Otis caught forecasters and Mexico off-guard. Scientists aren’t sure why
21:58 Chretien reflects on 30th anniversary of election win, says House has become 'dull as hell'
21:57 Manslaughter charges arise from Saskatoon May suspicious death