(CNN)President Donald Trump at the time was angry to go to the US Capitol on January 6, 2021. According to two secret service sources who said they heard about the incident from multiple agents, including the driver of the presidential SUV where the incident occurred, details when he got lost.
Details from people who heard the account are different, but secret service sources said they had an angry conflict. And their explanation is in line with an important part of Hutchinson's testimony. Hutchinson's testimony was attacked as hearsay by Trump and his allies who tried to undermine the credibility of her overall testimony.
A source, a longtime secret service employee, like Hutchinson, described Trump as "demanding" by a relay agent, and the former president said: I told CNN that I said. President of the United States, you can't tell me what to do. According to sources, I heard that such words were used immediately after the incident.
"He showed a kind of positive attitude. From the conversations I had, it was unclear if he actually made physical contact, but he may have made contact. I don't know, "said a source. "No one said Trump had attacked him. They said he tried to rush into the seat. For some reason, no one knew anything."
Employees said they had heard many times about the incident from other agents, dating back to February 2021. I was involved in the case.
Sources added that agents often spoke of Trump's angry attacks, such as the former president throwing and destroying things.
Other secret service sources who spoke to the driver and another agent who wasn't there heard that Trump was verbally blaming his details, but a physical change. He said he hadn't heard about it. Neither source has told CNN that they have heard of Trump trying to grab the steering wheel.
The three who attended the encounter with the improved armored version of the President's SUV, the Chevrolet Suburban, were Trump, detailed leader Robert "Bobby" Engel, and an unidentified driver at this time. did. ..
She testified that Engel repeatedly notified Trump on her way back to the White House after Trump's elliptical speech, and Ornart told her that it was unsafe to go to the Capitol.
According to Hutchinson, Ornart said Trump was screaming, "I'm a false president. Take me to the Capitol right now." After that, Trump "reached in front of the vehicle to grab the steering wheel," Hutchinson recalled what Ornart said. She added that Trump used his other hand to "rush" into Engel, according to Ornart.
Hutchinson was also aware that Trump and then-President's Chief of Staff Mark Meadows were aware of the possibility of violence on January 6, 2021, and Trump supporters gathered in an ellipse. He testified that he had a weapon at times. That day.
Engel and Ornart both testified to the Commission in a closed room, but their remarks were not used at the hearing on Tuesday.
Neither Engel nor Ornart have publicly commented on Hutchinson's testimony.
Another secret service official previously told CNN that Engel denied Trump grabbed the steering wheel or rushed towards the agent, and Ornart told Hutchinson the same. Said he denied. Officials did not object to Trump's instructions to his agent to take him to the Capitol.
Ornart has a close relationship with Trump and his team, formerly responsible for the details of his protection, but then took an unusual vacation from the Secret Service duties. Given and detailed to the White House as Deputy Director for operations.
Hutchinson's account of the alleged case was one of the most shocking parts of the hearing on Tuesday. This was added to the already pitiful portrait of Trump desperate to reach the Capitol at the time.
California Democrat Zoe Lofgren, a member of the Commission, said his agent could come to the panel and challenge the allegations under an oath.
"No one denies that the president wanted to go to the Capitol where this armed mob attacked Congress and was trying to overturn the election," Lofgren said on Wednesday night at CNN. Said in an AC360 interview. "It's a shocking point, as was the story about the limousine plunge. The real legal importance was that he wanted to go there, and no one argued about it. "Hmm."
Another Democrat of the Commission, Stephanie Murphy of Florida, told NBC's "Meet the Press Now," "Mr. Ornart remembers this time." It wasn't as clear as he said. " Hutchinson did. "
" But we are always happy people who come back and remember things to talk to us, "she added.